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		<title>By: Sarge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 15:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats cool.  Where is the park located hopefully east coast so we can skate it.  I didnt have to get any permits to build but you better explain what you are doing first and ask what needs to be done to get there, its always best to have a good lawyer do the talking also.


Joe-nyc park
Joe good luck I always thought of it, but do not think the money is there unless you have major sponsors backing you.  I hope you accomplish it though.

As for a NEW Indoor in Upstate NY, VT, ME, NH-  If anyone is interested in starting something or looking into one, please hit me up.  I have been wanting to move to one of the above to open a new park.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats cool.  Where is the park located hopefully east coast so we can skate it.  I didnt have to get any permits to build but you better explain what you are doing first and ask what needs to be done to get there, its always best to have a good lawyer do the talking also.</p>
<p>Joe-nyc park<br />
Joe good luck I always thought of it, but do not think the money is there unless you have major sponsors backing you.  I hope you accomplish it though.</p>
<p>As for a NEW Indoor in Upstate NY, VT, ME, NH-  If anyone is interested in starting something or looking into one, please hit me up.  I have been wanting to move to one of the above to open a new park.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Forth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Forth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 02:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just started the official ball rolling on an indoor skatepark in my city about to have the wharehouse within the next week.  The question is, did anybody have to get a permit from any of their municipalities to build the ramps?  Any help would be great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just started the official ball rolling on an indoor skatepark in my city about to have the wharehouse within the next week.  The question is, did anybody have to get a permit from any of their municipalities to build the ramps?  Any help would be great.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those that have inquired about getting information on costs and other demographics to run a skatepark, the best way is to call up a successful skatepark that is in operation and talk to the owner.  They&#039;ve been through the ropes and could tell you best.  Go to skatepark.org and look up some in your state.  Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those that have inquired about getting information on costs and other demographics to run a skatepark, the best way is to call up a successful skatepark that is in operation and talk to the owner.  They&#8217;ve been through the ropes and could tell you best.  Go to skatepark.org and look up some in your state.  Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 04:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok here is the ultimate place for an indoor skate park NYC. Cost are high but demand is even higher I think there is two indoor facility in Brooklyn … yes there is a lot of free parks but that’s were  the weather factor comes in. who thinks ill make it or not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok here is the ultimate place for an indoor skate park NYC. Cost are high but demand is even higher I think there is two indoor facility in Brooklyn … yes there is a lot of free parks but that’s were  the weather factor comes in. who thinks ill make it or not?</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thinking of opening a small park in a county with aprox. 150,000 people.  We get alot of rain in or region and the nearest indoor parks are 100  miles away.  I would like to talk with anyone that has owned/operated any parks that were in the 2000sq ft. range. Anybody know of any still running or not.  Also if you grew your park from a small op to a monster I would love to pick your brain.  

All responses greatly appreciated and if I gain some knoledge I will diffinatly repay the favor in the future.  

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thinking of opening a small park in a county with aprox. 150,000 people.  We get alot of rain in or region and the nearest indoor parks are 100  miles away.  I would like to talk with anyone that has owned/operated any parks that were in the 2000sq ft. range. Anybody know of any still running or not.  Also if you grew your park from a small op to a monster I would love to pick your brain.  </p>
<p>All responses greatly appreciated and if I gain some knoledge I will diffinatly repay the favor in the future.  </p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great thread - lots of info in here...

I too am in the &quot;pencil to paper&quot; phase of considering an indoor park. I&#039;m definitely going to do the research before committing to ANY project! Obviously it&#039;s a tough business to make money in, but is *anyone* out there making a living from a private park?

A few advantages that I feel that I have - I&#039;ve been &quot;in the industry&quot; for the past 10  years so I have lots of connections (which could hopefully help to bring demos, decent brands for a pro shop, promote, etc.), I grew up in the restaurant industry (another notoriously tough biz to make a living in and I think I can run a good little concession business) and I want to put my park near a destination ski resort (small town, over a million visitors each year, the closest park is in a city 60 miles away and there is only one park there).

Anyone else take advantage of a local snow shred scene?  Seems like the kiddos might want to get away to skate after a few days of snow (especially during bad conditions) and there is a lot of crossover between the sports.

Any thoughts or other resources would be appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great thread &#8211; lots of info in here&#8230;</p>
<p>I too am in the &#8220;pencil to paper&#8221; phase of considering an indoor park. I&#8217;m definitely going to do the research before committing to ANY project! Obviously it&#8217;s a tough business to make money in, but is *anyone* out there making a living from a private park?</p>
<p>A few advantages that I feel that I have &#8211; I&#8217;ve been &#8220;in the industry&#8221; for the past 10  years so I have lots of connections (which could hopefully help to bring demos, decent brands for a pro shop, promote, etc.), I grew up in the restaurant industry (another notoriously tough biz to make a living in and I think I can run a good little concession business) and I want to put my park near a destination ski resort (small town, over a million visitors each year, the closest park is in a city 60 miles away and there is only one park there).</p>
<p>Anyone else take advantage of a local snow shred scene?  Seems like the kiddos might want to get away to skate after a few days of snow (especially during bad conditions) and there is a lot of crossover between the sports.</p>
<p>Any thoughts or other resources would be appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy Hansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tommy Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in the KC metro area. Right now I am working on writing up a business plan for an indoor skatepark. Can anyone help me out with estimating the monthly costs of maintaining one? Things like payroll, heating/cooling costs, insurance, lighting, and any other utilities. This would help me out a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in the KC metro area. Right now I am working on writing up a business plan for an indoor skatepark. Can anyone help me out with estimating the monthly costs of maintaining one? Things like payroll, heating/cooling costs, insurance, lighting, and any other utilities. This would help me out a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this blog is gold!  thanks for posting everyone.  I&#039;m here in central michigan with a pretty small population but a college and many skaters.  I&#039;m just being selfish and thinking about winter coming and wanting an indoor skatepark to go skate in the winter.  but I know all the other skaters around would be super stoked with an indoor park.  I think the city should provide one, they saw a need for the outdoor park, did they think we don&#039;t need to skate in the winter?  Well, I called a guy at Parks and Rec and he basically said the city feels like it has provided enough for riders.  

Reading through this thread, I thought about other sports like climbing and surfing have the Access Fund and the Surfrider Foundation. Organizations that work to protect areas in which people do those sports.  If there isn&#039;t something like that for skateboarding and other forms of riding there should be.  We should pool our resources as a community and get more terrain built and maintained. I appreciate what Tony Hawk is doing with his foundation but we could be more organized as a group of people with common interests and do more to promote those interests. I guess it starts with supporting your local shop or your local indoor park, but for me, if that means supporting the oil companies (ie driving 40 miles) its tough.  

Well, I&#039;m just seeing this empty sprawl mart here in town and can&#039;t stop thinking about doing power slides on that polished concrete floor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this blog is gold!  thanks for posting everyone.  I&#8217;m here in central michigan with a pretty small population but a college and many skaters.  I&#8217;m just being selfish and thinking about winter coming and wanting an indoor skatepark to go skate in the winter.  but I know all the other skaters around would be super stoked with an indoor park.  I think the city should provide one, they saw a need for the outdoor park, did they think we don&#8217;t need to skate in the winter?  Well, I called a guy at Parks and Rec and he basically said the city feels like it has provided enough for riders.  </p>
<p>Reading through this thread, I thought about other sports like climbing and surfing have the Access Fund and the Surfrider Foundation. Organizations that work to protect areas in which people do those sports.  If there isn&#8217;t something like that for skateboarding and other forms of riding there should be.  We should pool our resources as a community and get more terrain built and maintained. I appreciate what Tony Hawk is doing with his foundation but we could be more organized as a group of people with common interests and do more to promote those interests. I guess it starts with supporting your local shop or your local indoor park, but for me, if that means supporting the oil companies (ie driving 40 miles) its tough.  </p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;m just seeing this empty sprawl mart here in town and can&#8217;t stop thinking about doing power slides on that polished concrete floor.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some developments on the Chicago indoor park.  I spoke with a good friend who&#039;s a native Chicagoan that had skated when he was younger.  He&#039;s in real estate development and currently works for a large commercial real estate firm as one of the top dogs in the company.  I asked him point blank how realistic it is to run an indoor park with a live music venue and he thought it was very doable because of the need for one and that it would be a niche&#039; in the developments going on right now.  He told me I was correct in being able to fund the initial cost and the operating costs via advertising.  We discussed other options to maintain a cash flow too other than charging a ridiculous fee, which I can&#039;t get into details, but the biggest obstacle right now is getting the land.

I always wanted to outright own the land and structure so that we could do with the park as we pleased, design-wise and other considerations.  My friend said that was the way to go so that you also don&#039;t get evicted because of a bad real estate deal or the owner decides to sell the land and bolt for some other opportunity.  As far as land costs, rates are down now and will stay this way for at least another year; also the City of Chicago has been known to actually give away properties they own if nothing is being done with it or if a community centered facility wishes to plant down.  If they don&#039;t give it away, they could offer it cheap too.  My friend is rubbing shoulders with some local Aldermen and will be asking around for me.  How freakin&#039; gnarly is that?  

The next step right now is to gather investors to foot a $200,000 start so that a loan can be approved for building.  My friend will do the footwork for finding a lot that is big enough and accessible to public trans. Once we get the funding, we&#039;d court architects that would be able to design a structure that would accommodate a modular park ( we do want to mix it up once and a while, don&#039;t we?) and entertainment facility.  Once we find an architect that could accommodate our needs, then we would contract the park designers (I&#039;m leaning on Team Pain for this because of their legacy to do the impossible), and all the vendors that would take part in making the park design materialistic.  

Allin all, this could take 2-3 years.  I&#039;m willing to see this come to fruition and will sweat blood and tears to see it happen and am ready to fight for it.  I&#039;m stoked that I&#039;m finding some good people to help out on the business side who aren&#039;t in it for the money, but desire to see a dream come true and believe me, I&#039;m pretty damn picky.  Thank you to all who are offering to volunteer too.  I&#039;ll keep you posted on what&#039;s going on as it happens and will call on some of you at some point to be a part of this project.  Keep skating and keep skating alive!  Peace!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some developments on the Chicago indoor park.  I spoke with a good friend who&#8217;s a native Chicagoan that had skated when he was younger.  He&#8217;s in real estate development and currently works for a large commercial real estate firm as one of the top dogs in the company.  I asked him point blank how realistic it is to run an indoor park with a live music venue and he thought it was very doable because of the need for one and that it would be a niche&#8217; in the developments going on right now.  He told me I was correct in being able to fund the initial cost and the operating costs via advertising.  We discussed other options to maintain a cash flow too other than charging a ridiculous fee, which I can&#8217;t get into details, but the biggest obstacle right now is getting the land.</p>
<p>I always wanted to outright own the land and structure so that we could do with the park as we pleased, design-wise and other considerations.  My friend said that was the way to go so that you also don&#8217;t get evicted because of a bad real estate deal or the owner decides to sell the land and bolt for some other opportunity.  As far as land costs, rates are down now and will stay this way for at least another year; also the City of Chicago has been known to actually give away properties they own if nothing is being done with it or if a community centered facility wishes to plant down.  If they don&#8217;t give it away, they could offer it cheap too.  My friend is rubbing shoulders with some local Aldermen and will be asking around for me.  How freakin&#8217; gnarly is that?  </p>
<p>The next step right now is to gather investors to foot a $200,000 start so that a loan can be approved for building.  My friend will do the footwork for finding a lot that is big enough and accessible to public trans. Once we get the funding, we&#8217;d court architects that would be able to design a structure that would accommodate a modular park ( we do want to mix it up once and a while, don&#8217;t we?) and entertainment facility.  Once we find an architect that could accommodate our needs, then we would contract the park designers (I&#8217;m leaning on Team Pain for this because of their legacy to do the impossible), and all the vendors that would take part in making the park design materialistic.  </p>
<p>Allin all, this could take 2-3 years.  I&#8217;m willing to see this come to fruition and will sweat blood and tears to see it happen and am ready to fight for it.  I&#8217;m stoked that I&#8217;m finding some good people to help out on the business side who aren&#8217;t in it for the money, but desire to see a dream come true and believe me, I&#8217;m pretty damn picky.  Thank you to all who are offering to volunteer too.  I&#8217;ll keep you posted on what&#8217;s going on as it happens and will call on some of you at some point to be a part of this project.  Keep skating and keep skating alive!  Peace!</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle a</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 04:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is for roger masa-        it won&#039;t be too long before I get out of high school an start out on my own. I can&#039;t think of any other way to continue with my passion of skateboarding than to run or at least work directly with a skatepark that&#039;s truely devoted to simply promote kids to skate. Cause as a little kid park owners and employees were the koolest guys in the world . They spent all of their time money and effort trying to make a better place for all us skateboardrs to do their thing.im speaking out to you because I&#039;ve lived and grew up around the Chicago skate scene and I know how hard it is for kids that lived near or even in the city to have nowhere to skate because of poor parks or wether it&#039;s just the dead of winter because it&#039;s just so cold outside that their bearings froze over. I just want to help you in any way possible to make this dream a reality to so please message back I&#039;m very interested on any plans you&#039;ve made so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is for roger masa-        it won&#8217;t be too long before I get out of high school an start out on my own. I can&#8217;t think of any other way to continue with my passion of skateboarding than to run or at least work directly with a skatepark that&#8217;s truely devoted to simply promote kids to skate. Cause as a little kid park owners and employees were the koolest guys in the world . They spent all of their time money and effort trying to make a better place for all us skateboardrs to do their thing.im speaking out to you because I&#8217;ve lived and grew up around the Chicago skate scene and I know how hard it is for kids that lived near or even in the city to have nowhere to skate because of poor parks or wether it&#8217;s just the dead of winter because it&#8217;s just so cold outside that their bearings froze over. I just want to help you in any way possible to make this dream a reality to so please message back I&#8217;m very interested on any plans you&#8217;ve made so far.</p>
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